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05-02-2017, 05:24 AM
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This may save you a $$ or two
When shopping for vehicle repair parts or performance modifications, I've found it pays to check here for the best value.
https://frugalmechanic.com/auto-part...1%2Fmodel.half
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05-03-2017, 05:47 PM
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BTW ~ order the K&N Cold Air kit and installed it today.
I'm really curious how much difference it will make. Actually power is no problem as have plenty but maybe on the fuel mileage when towing or not towing.
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05-04-2017, 09:13 AM
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A K&N cold air kit is a great add on. But a car with normal tune, the factory computer, may not be able to take advantage of the increased air flow it provides. You may need to get a tuner to change the fuel mapping to really take advantage if it. at the least you should get a better MAF sensor to detect the increase in air flow.
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05-04-2017, 03:33 PM
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Based on the Toyota Forums, some folks who have installed K&N filters have had MAS troubles due to oil coming off the filter and getting charred on the MAS. There are other reusable filters out there that do not need oiling. I might try one of them at some point.
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05-05-2017, 07:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by twinster2
Based on the Toyota Forums, some folks who have installed K&N filters have had MAS troubles due to oil coming off the filter and getting charred on the MAS. There are other reusable filters out there that do not need oiling. I might try one of them at some point.
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We recently bought our used Chevy 2500HD. The check engine light was on when we bought it and the dealer agreed to fix the problem. All they needed to do was remove the K&N filter. No problems since. Most likely for the reason you just stated.
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05-05-2017, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Michigantraveler
We recently bought our used Chevy 2500HD. The check engine light was on when we bought it and the dealer agreed to fix the problem. All they needed to do was remove the K&N filter. No problems since. Most likely for the reason you just stated.
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It may have also been it was running lean from the increased airflow from the K&N. the ECM in the car did know how to handle it.
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05-05-2017, 05:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by team dougherty
It may have also been it was running lean from the increased airflow from the K&N. the ECM in the car did know how to handle it.
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It was a MAF air flow sensor failure. We use K&N air filters on our motorcycles.
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05-05-2017, 07:40 PM
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Just a little info on high flow air filters, most of the hp gains are at 5000 rpm and higher. I have never used them so I can't say for sure. I know I would not want to pull my trailer most of the time near the 5000 rpm range, I am usually in the 2000 to 2500 rpm range. 300 ft/lbs of torque starting at 2000 rpm and up seems to be its sweet spot. I am not convinced that air flow is an issue at that rpm. Not trying to start any disagreements but I have not tested it. Also I have seen some vehicles mass air flow sensors malfunction due to oil coating them. Different designs and vehicles don't seem to have issues. Just some food for thought. I do like to drive fast when not trailering so performance is a priority for me but I like reliability as well. Silverado
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05-05-2017, 09:30 PM
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I have used K&N air filters in the last 3 Ram picks without an issue. Also used in the last several Harley motorcycles and in a '15 Jeep TrailHawk w/o an issue. I would have used them in the last 2 cars I had but K&N didn't make a filter for them.
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05-06-2017, 11:26 AM
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I have been contemplating purchasing one of these:
aFe Pro-Dry S Air Filters - Best Price on Custom Pro-Dry S Air Filter by aFe
It is a dry reusable high flow air filter. You do not oil it and it gives similar performance and mileage increases at the K&N. You can purchase them through amazon.
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05-06-2017, 02:15 PM
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Interesting Read(Use link)
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05-06-2017, 05:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by twinster2
Based on the Toyota Forums, some folks who have installed K&N filters have had MAS troubles due to oil coming off the filter and getting charred on the MAS. There are other reusable filters out there that do not need oiling. I might try one of them at some point.
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I have heard that too. I removed my K&N and went back to standard filters. The K&N allows greater air flow which is great for racers who rebuild their engine often but the K&N is one of the lowest rated filter when it comes to actually filtering out dust and dirt.
You can read the scientific testing here:
K&N Air Filter Review - Debunking the Myths (and why OEM is better)
There is lots of anecdotal evidence to the contrary... Joe XYZ who has used them for years...etc. But that does not change the facts.
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05-06-2017, 05:51 PM
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It was only a few centuries ago, it was a common held belief the world was flat too.
And the song and dance about global warming is continuing to this day with no verifiable evidence or positive proof on either side .... just alot of theories.
Regardless, we have the freedom to choose which air filter to use.
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05-06-2017, 06:37 PM
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Quote "Not trying to start any disagreements"
I realize we are free to choose any air filter we want, I choose to pump only clean air and fuel through my engine with as little dirt as possible. K&N filters will not go out of business because of my beliefs. I believe the machine they used to test the filters has a little more science to it than how they figured out the earth was not flat. I have a father in law who runs K&N Filter in his 2006 Dodge 1500 with a 4.7 liter. He rarely drives over 90 km/hr. and is consuming oil. Just my humble opinion. What works for one does not always work for another.
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05-06-2017, 06:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverado
Quote "Not trying to start any disagreements"
I realize we are free to choose any air filter we want, I choose to pump only clean air and fuel through my engine with as little dirt as possible. K&N filters will not go out of business because of my beliefs. I believe the machine they used to test the filters has a little more science to it than how they figured out the earth was not flat. I have a father in law who runs K&N Filter in his 2006 Dodge 1500 with a 4.7 liter. He rarely drives over 90 km/hr. and is consuming oil. Just my humble opinion. What works for one does not always work for another.
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Yup ~ to each their own.
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05-06-2017, 07:05 PM
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Eagle You Truck must pull your Toy Hauler pretty well the way it is set up. What is the weight of your trailer?
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05-07-2017, 03:36 AM
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Yes, the Ram 2500 does a great job as hardly know one is pulling anything.
The XT276 weighs 5,110 dry, payload capacity of 2,760; GVWR is 7,870 lbs with a hitch weight of 870 lbs.
I've scaled it a few times before going on an outing & fully loaded (including the Harley), the scaled weight is about 7,610 - several hundred pounds below the GVWR.
A few times pulled with two Harleys in the garage but less 'other stuff' and scaled right at the GVWR and no issues.
The first couple of years I towed with a Ram 1500 w/5.7 Hemi and it did OK but you knew you were pulling.
The maximum tow capacity of the pickup with the gear ratio is 12,500 so can easily handle the load.
Thanks for asking.
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05-08-2017, 08:00 AM
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Yes it is nice when you can relax and enjoy pulling. My set up is different but pulls very well, (Lighter Trailer 3900 lbs dry 400 lbs on the tongue ) even in the hills and mountains I find it does not struggle. In the hills it seems to like the 2000 to 2500 rpm range and on flat ground 1500 to 1600 rpm on 87 octane. Picture was last summer pulling in Southern Alberta on the Trans Canada Highway. Being a 1500 pickup my capacity is only 9100 lbs but rides nice loaded or empty.
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05-08-2017, 08:19 AM
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That is great. Wow, I had to do a double take when looked at the speedometer in your pic ~ then realized it's numbered for MPH and KPH.
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05-08-2017, 08:33 AM
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Lol Yah I wondered about that when i uploaded the picture, i was headed to Montana on that trip and had changed it early out of curiosity.
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